president obama thinks the first option is what people think. >> i think hillary will go down as one of the finest secretaries of states we've had. >> not everyone agrees. a former official tells the los angeles times, it's tough to see what has happened in world politics over the last four years that wouldn't have happened without her, so it's hard to see how she gets into the category of truly great, transformational secretaries. and all of the pete who were critical spoke as unnamed former officials. people who were complementary were willing to go by name. peter brooks, assistant secretary of defense in the bush administration, ann marie slaughter worked for secretary clinton. great to have both of you. peter, what do you think? we saw this article today in the "los angeles times." i have not seen many articles questioning at all the tenure of secretary clinton. this was the first. >> i'm not a diplomatic historian, but i think some of the fawning has been over the top. we saw this at her hearing over benghazi. we saw this, you know, i think, when she also introduced john kerry.